iSilo 4.05 enters beta1

[iSilo]

For a detailed list of changes, please go to this URL:

<http://www.iSilo.com/info/beta/changes.htm (http://www.isilo.com/info/beta/changes.htm)>

To download the beta, please go to this URL:

<http://www.iSilo.com/info/beta/index.htm (http://www.isilo.com/info/beta/index.htm)>

Please post bugs for this beta version in this thread.

[tnhh]

I'm not sure if this is a bug. When I upgraded I lost all the categories for my existing files, which is fair enough since the new categories are far more extensive. However, I can't see a way to just list my unfiled files, so that I can recategorise them. Am I blind? :confused:

[iSilo]

It is a bug. Thank you for reporting it.

The notion of an Unfiled category becomes impractical in the new scheme, since every single file, regardless of where it is located would be "unfiled" (unless it is actually categorized).

In the Device & Storage Cards view, select [Internal Storage] from the volume/folder popup list to see all the iSilo and Palm Doc databases stored internally.

By default, iSilo also sets up two favorite folders: iSilo and Launcher. The iSilo alias goes to /Palm/Programs/iSilo and the Launcher alias goes to /Palm/Launcher. So you can use these two favorite folders to quickly go to the folders that were in the past the only locations iSilo searched for documents(aside from the less common /Palm/Programs/MSFiles).

[iSilo]

Some further investigation into the category bug reveals that it should only happen if the document had been categorized but never opened. If the document was both categorized and opened, then it should still be categorized in the beta. Is that the behavior you observed?

[tnhh]

It is a bug. Thank you for reporting it.

The notion of an Unfiled category becomes impractical in the new scheme, since every single file, regardless of where it is located would be "unfiled" (unless it is actually categorized).


Thanks for the quick reply. I understand that an "Unfiled" category has a different meaning now. However it is very difficult for me to see which files have been categorised and which have not. I am just trying to recreate my previous category structure before playing with the new features, but it is very tedious to go through 300 odd files and categorise them all. :(

How about a method for selecting multiple files and categorising them? That would help.

[tnhh]

Some further investigation into the category bug reveals that it should only happen if the document had been categorized but never opened. If the document was both categorized and opened, then it should still be categorized in the beta. Is that the behavior you observed?

I guess so. I have just upgraded to a TH55 and I copied all my files across from my old T615, but whilst I had categorised them all, I think I had only opened a few of them.

BTW, thanks for such a great program!! Especially with full-screen on the TH55, which I love :)

[tichkiir]

I had been catagorizing all my files under the date I created them, then changing the catagory in iSilo on the palm to be what it should be. After upgrading, all files are back with their orginal catagories - very annoying.

BTW: Awesome upgrade, first time I've used a beta on my palm as the only reader, it's well worth any issues this time!

Tichkiir

[tichkiir]

Now that there is the concept of a tree structure for catagories, there needs to be a way to move a catagory from one parent to another. I had some old catagories named with / in them so now I have a VERY odd tree, and I'd like to move things around and rename it all so it works, but it looks like I'll have to create the new tree, then manually update every single file to use it.

Tichkiir

[tichkiir]

I deleted a bunch of catagories while editing a document, and after I went back to the catagories tab, they were still all on the menu there (though empty)
-After I uploaded a new file to my palm, the catagory list removed all the old deleted catagories

Tichkiir

[tichkiir]

This isn't really a bug as much as a question/request/missing feature.

I've got a TON of docs on my Palm, and they all fit into a bunch of overlapping catagories. I've been dealing with it by defining some of the most common overlaps as A, B, A-B, C, A-C, D, E, C-E and sorting things as best I can. Now that there are hierarchies and multiple catagories I'd love to put everything where it really belongs.

Given a tree then like this:
A
-1
-2
--2.1
B
-1
C
D

The only thing missing is the ability to display the results of searching in multiple catagories. I'd LOVE to be able to say:
-everything that's in catagory A (but not A/1 or A/2)
-everything in A and all sub-catagories
-everything in A and B
-everything in A2 or B

Then I could organize an article that is about laptop video cards to say that it is about Laptop and Video and then search on both if all I really want is Laptop Video cards. And another article about PC Video cards could be under Video and PC, and then I could find both articles by just looking in Video.

Is such a thing going to be possible? Or should I just define each possible combination of groups as being a subgroup of each group? Like:
Laptop
-Video cards
PC
-Video cards
-Motherboards
Video Cards
-Laptop
-PC

Perhaps a new menu item called 'Find Docs' which lets you search for strings in Doc titles only as well as select a combination of catagories to search in?

Also, since it can now be told if a doc has been opened or not, an 'Unread' catagory? or tab? or some way of just seeing all the docs that haven't been opened at all yet?

Tichkiir

[iSilo]

That is a bug. The category list should update when you edit the categories.

I deleted a bunch of catagories while editing a document, and after I went back to the catagories tab, they were still all on the menu there (though empty)
-After I uploaded a new file to my palm, the catagory list removed all the old deleted catagories

Tichkiir

[iSilo]

Please post feature requests in the Requests and Suggestions (http://forum.iSilo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33) forum.

This isn't really a bug as much as a question/request/missing feature.

I've got a TON of docs on my Palm, and they all fit into a bunch of overlapping catagories. I've been dealing with it by defining some of the most common overlaps as A, B, A-B, C, A-C, D, E, C-E and sorting things as best I can. Now that there are hierarchies and multiple catagories I'd love to put everything where it really belongs.

[tichkiir]

The changelist says: Commands in folder context menu: Enter Folder, Favorite Folder Alias

But when I tab the icon of a folder, or hold the stylus down on one, nothing happens. (Palm T|T)

[iSilo]

You only get the context menu when you tap the icon/hold stylus down for a folder in the Favorite Folders view or the Device & Storage Cards view. You don't get a context menu for the Categories view since you can not create an alias for a category.

Is the above not the behavior you observed?

[tichkiir]

You only get the context menu when you tap the icon/hold stylus down for a folder in the Favorite Folders view or the Device & Storage Cards view. You don't get a context menu for the Categories view since you can not create an alias for a category.

Is the above not the behavior you observed?

Nope, it's working correctly then, I didn't realize that folders in the catagories tab didn't get menus.

[tichkiir]

I created a new catagory tree with subfolders (like 3 levels deep).
I then changed a bunch of docs (20+) to have a one of the new sub catagories selected, and leaving the old catagory selected as well.
I then Deleted the old catagories.
I deleted a doc, causing the catagory menu to update.
I went back to the subcatagory I had just added all these docs to, and it contained only 1 of them.

Somehow the new catagory settings didn't take, or got removed when I deleted the old catagories.

Tich

[tichkiir]

After having some major freaky problems with catagories, I uninstalled iSilo including the _ DBs and then installed the beta cleanly.

When I go to any of the catagories it created for me from my docs, the contents keep reloading constantly. I'll be looking at the list and every 5 seconds or so the list will clear out and refresh.

It did this the first time I upgraded to the beta too, then at some point it stopped.

Woops, just looked at my palm (T|T) again and noticed it's stopped doing it - I had just let my palm sit while I typed this up.

Is it that it wasn't finished processing the file list? If so, perhaps add a dialog at the first loading during upgrade that says something like 'Please wait, building catagory information' or something? Or just document that it needs to sit for a few min after you load it the first time.

Tich

[iSilo]

iSilo updates the document list in the background, so the behavior you describe sounds like iSilo is seeing newing documents and updating the list. In the upper left, you should see a dot that blinks periodically if iSilo is searching for documents to add to the list in the background. It does this in the background so that you don't have to wait for it to complete the updating before you are able to read a document. If you have a lot of documents, then the update process could actually take a long time, since iSilo actually has to look at each and every file in the standard locations, regardless of whether any are new or not.

[portaweb]

When I upgraded to 4.05b1, my documents inherited their default categories, but I had problems trying to recatagorize them: For example:
I had a doc whose default category was "SF" and was the only doc with this category. I created a new category "Books", moved this doc to the new cateogory. It appeared to work fine. I then deleted the "SF" category - also appeared to work fine. I later deleted a different document that was unrelated to either category. Now both "Books" and "SF" are in my category list ( SF has returned ) - and both categories are empty.

[Liberty]

Why do you remove the "manual refresh" in 4.05b1? I think it is very useful,for I have a lot of docs in my old device and it takes more than 15 sec to refresh the whole list,and I have to wait for the certain doc i needed to appear for a long time.I hope you can recover this feature.Thx.

[Sirach]

I use Isilo for all my ebooks. With the older version, I can turn off Isilo, do other stuff, re-start Isilo and I could go directly to the document that I was reading before. With the new Beta version, I can't find this feature. Every time when I turn off Isilo and re-start it, it would direct me to the index page, I then have to tap on the document that I was reading to open it. Although Isilo would take me to the page where I left off, but that is just one extra move that we have to go through. I don't know whether this is a bug or by design or there is a way to set it up, but I think it would be really nice to have this feature back. Thank you very mcuh.

[iSilo]

Why do you remove the "manual refresh" in 4.05b1? I think it is very useful,for I have a lot of docs in my old device and it takes more than 15 sec to refresh the whole list,and I have to wait for the certain doc i needed to appear for a long time.I hope you can recover this feature.Thx.
The document list works differently than it did before, so some things that were applicable previously are no longer technically feasible in the same way.

If it is the case that you have a directory with hundreds/thousands of files, you can try categorizing your documents or creating a number of subfolders and splitting them up that way so that complete loading of the list does not take so long.

[iSilo]

There is an interim update (dubbed beta1a) to iSilo for Palm OS 4.05 beta1. See this thread for the list of changes. If you reported a problem, please test again with the beta1a and report in that thread on whether the problem you encountered has been fixed in that version.

[iSilo]

There is now another interim update (dubbed beta1b) to iSilo for Palm OS 4.05 beta1. See this thread for the list of changes. If you reported a problem, please test again with the beta1b and report in that thread on whether the problem you encountered has been fixed in that version.

[portaweb]

Documents that I grabbed through the ISilo Clipper ( full page - I haven't tested highlighted text yet) do not appear when I use the updated view. (They do appear in other views, tho.)

[portaweb]

Documents that I grabbed through the ISilo Clipper ( full page - I haven't tested highlighted text yet) do not appear when I use the updated view. (They do appear in other views, tho.)

[iSilo]

The Updated view only shows documents you previously opened which have been updated. So any completely new documents you install which you have never opened before will not show in the Updated view. Is this different from the behavior you are seeing?

[MHS]

Moving a file from Palm (iQue in my case) to SD card then trying to categorize it often results in a crash. File was installed in the iQue's resident memory before I tried the beta, then used the beta version to move it to the SD card and then tried to categorize it, crash. This happened with a couple of files. After the crash, the categories I'd created were all gone, only Business and Personal remained. The deleted categories happened after each crash. Using beta1b

Mike
iQue 3600, OS5.2.1R3

[portaweb]

The Updated view only shows documents you previously opened which have been updated. So any completely new documents you install which you have never opened before will not show in the Updated view. Is this different from the behavior you are seeing?

Your description is consistent with what I am seeing, but not what I expected. For me the usefulness of such a view is to list everything I haven't opened, so that I can easily find it. Yes, I could attempt some sort of workaround, ( such as a "new" category, now that multiple categories are supported), but then I could do that with an updated list as well.

If there is a need to seperate "updated" from "new", why not support both? The "Categories" drop-down is currently not used in the updated view. How about supporting both new and updated in this view, and use the dropdown to allow selection of "New", "Updated", or "New and Updated"?

[ignatz]

I've noticed that my files lose their category settings when I copy them from RAM to the SD card. I've tried it several times and the behavior is consistent. The copied files have no categories at all.

[davvers]

I started using 4.05b1 iSilo for PPC on an iPaq 3850. It works well except for one thing.

After using a Bookmark, the hardware buttons stop working.

If I close the Document and re-open, the hardware buttons work again - until I go to a bookmark, then they stop working again. :(

[iSilo]

Moving a file from Palm (iQue in my case) to SD card then trying to categorize it often results in a crash. File was installed in the iQue's resident memory before I tried the beta, then used the beta version to move it to the SD card and then tried to categorize it, crash. This happened with a couple of files. After the crash, the categories I'd created were all gone, only Business and Personal remained. The deleted categories happened after each crash. Using beta1b
iQue 3600, OS5.2.1R3
This issue will be fixed in the next beta update.

Thank you for reporting it.